NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams 8-29-10. When asked about recent opinion polls taken on his faith and citizenship Obama responded “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead,” and “The facts are the facts”. Well Mr Obama here are some facts for you. FACT – The American people are perceiving you to be a Muslim because of your own actions-your stance on the ground zero mosque-your making NASA’s number one priority to make Muslims feel good about themselves, etc. FACT – There have been many lawsuits filed in regards to your citizenship and your failure to release a long form birth certificate that would verify your natural born status as required by the US Constitution. Instead of simply releasing the document (long form BC)you have fought these lawsuits and paid legal fees exceeding 1 million dollars to get these cases dismissed for lack of standing or jurisdiction however, these cases have never been dismissed for lack of merit
factcheck is a forgery too asshole…What amazes me is the amount of total ignorance and stupidity that abounds in assholes like u…It really is amazing!!!
Yes, they are asshole…When will u ever stop lying on this blog???… Are u just freaking incapable of telling the truth???…..What an absolute asshole u are!!!
Go ahead asshole………….hahaaaa
@VIVIEN2005
prove to who he is eligible, a few thousand people to whom will not believe he Is natural born even if Jesus and All the the framers of the constitution came down from heaven and told them. anyone who still demands proof will only claim what ever proof he provides is a forgery. so again, why bother?
@VIVIEN2005 According to anybody who has studied the Constitution, anybody born in the US (except for children of foreign diplomats or militaries) are natural born citizens.
Again, you ignorant child, the reason for the phrase is to prevent naturalized citizens from becoming president. Naturalized citizens are eligible for every other office in the US except for POTUS and VP.
@VIVIEN2005
How many times are you going to demonstrate that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the most basic forms of logic?
SR511 said that if you have two citizen parents, then you are a nbc.
You’re twisting that to mean
If you do NOT have two citizen parents, then you are NOT a natural born citizen.
Spot the flaw (again, since you were too dumb to get it the first time apparently)
If you are in NY, then you are in the US.
If you are NOT in NY, then you are NOT in the US.
@VIVIEN2005 Wong “didn’t extensively discuss natural born citizens”
Bull. The citation for Wong is 169 US 649. Discussion of natural born citizenship starts at 654, and cites a WIDE variety of cases and legal analysis of the term, continuing to the conclusion on 666 that children of aliens born in the US are natural born citizens. Of course, I doubt you’ve ever actually read the case, child.
@VIVIEN2005 I would try and discuss the matter with Donofrio Berg and Apuzzo, but apparently they don’t welcome comments that expose how ignorant and frivolous their legal arguments are and each has banned me from commenting. Once in a while Apuzzo shows up at ObamaConspiracy, and gets himself as embarrassed as he was by the 3rd Circuit, where he avoided monetary sanctions by the skin of his teeth.
By your ignorant comments, yes, I will say when it comes to the law, I am MUCH wiser than you
@VIVIEN2005 I said “in one case” not in “one of Taitz’s cases,” didn’t I, you ignorant birther (though ignorant birther is an oxymoron)?
In one case, the birther attorney (who was not Taitz, maybe you should learn some facts!) was ordered to pay the defense’s legal costs, which amounted to about $500.
@VIVIEN2005
But yeah, sure, Taitz is getting mediation. Why don’t you tell me what mediation means, because you don’t seem to understand the concept. What possible room is there for mediation here?
And surely the “mediation” wasn’t a clerk’s error that got corrected within 48 hours. Nope. Taitz will actually be mediating in the 9th Circuit in a case where there’s no middle ground. You ignorant child.
@VIVIEN2005 “Being a British subject at birth”
Birthers claim to love the Constitution but are willing to give every other country in the world veto power over who is NBC.
According to your argument, if Chavez claimed everybody born in the US was a Venezuelan citizen, nobody born in the US would be a natural born citizen anymore. They’d all be dual citizens!
Italy grants citizenship 3 or 4 generations down. Should somebody be ineligible for POTUS because their great-grandpa was an Italian?
qwertyman129
You are obviously not the brightest bulb. If BO was born in Kenya, American law stated SAD had to be 10 years a U.S citizen, FOUR of them after the age of 15 to confer her citizenship. She was only 18. If baby was born in U.S. makes no difference how old Mum is…….get a grip, man!
qwertyman129
I have told you now thrice, ex-pats in Indo have stated that ONLY Indo citizens were allowed access to the public schools in Indo at the time BO was there. I will trust THEM until you prove it was not so. I think they have a much better foundation in Indo culture and law than your ravings here.
qwertyman129
Honestly, are you giving your best arguments here? If so, then you do NOT understand American law.
BO had dual citizenship at birth. A GIVEN. He most likely became Indo later. IF he used an Indo passport after age 18, because Indo did NOT recognize dual status, he would have committed an act by U.S. law which accepted Indo citizenship, therefore forfeiting U.S.
Any country could call us all theirs, but U.S. law says NO! Don’t be inane…..
@Mairi0506 Which ex pats have said so? Where can I read their statements? Google searches have not helped, and I’m not going to take a birther at their word after they’ve lied to me so many times, from fictitious travel bans against Pakistan to asserting that Wong Kim Ark had nothing to do with natural born citizens.
You have told me thrice to take your pure hearsay at its word. I have told you several times I want to do the research for myself, but have found nothing to back your view.
@Mairi0506 I’ll ask you then, should a third generation American be ineligible for office because Italy claims them to be a citizen because of their great-grandfather? US citizenship is NOT dependent on the laws of other countries, you got that part right!
Again, use of a foreign passport, or taking on of dual citizenship, does not forfeit US citizenship. This is well-settled law, going back to Perkins v. Elg. Then again, to be a birther, you would have to be ignorant of law, facts and logic!
qwertyman129
Let me explain it to you one more time. The Founders set NBC in the Constitution and exempted ONLY their generation. They were not U.S NBC citizens at birth. In 1790, they passed a law that all children of U.S. parent”S” were NBC, and in 1795, rewrote that law to state that those children were “citizens” ONLY! It was signed by George Washington, himself, to protect the criteria of NBC as they wrote it in the Constitution.
WHEN FINALLY heard by SCOTUS, their wording will prevail!
qwertyman129
NO! To third generation Italians, because that is NOT the law of the U.S.!
qwertyman129
PLEASE read my posts before making a fool of yourself! Indo did NOT recognize dual U.S. citizenship. Acceptance of an Indo passport AFTER the age of “U.S. majority by U.S. law is acceptance of that citizenship and negates U.S.! You like to “twist” words to TRY to win an argument….it WON’T work!
Indo did NOT recognize dual, end of story!
@Mairi0506 Your explanations misstate the laws and logic you discuss. The 1790 Naturalization Act applied to children of US parents BORN OVERSEAS. It did not mention parents in regards to children born in the US. In Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court explicitly stated that children of aliens born in the US were natural born citizens.
@Mairi0506 “NO! To third generation Italians”
Your argument is that dual citizens CANNOT be natural born citizens! How come you’re now arguing that applies to some dual citizens of the UK but not to dual citizens from Italy? Are you perhaps realizing the idiocy of your argument?
You keep arguing that taking a foreign passport forfeits US citizenship. Since you apparently claim to be an expert on citizenship law, surely you can tell me the statute that says that.
qwertyman129
Are you really that “thick”? ONLY taking a passport from a country that DOES NOT recognize dual citizenship negates U.S. citizenship. I cannot spell it out for you any more clearly!
Acceptance of Indo passport after the legal U.S. age of majority = acceptance of THAT citizenship over ours!
If you do not get it, I will NOT explain it to you again!
qwertyman129
The 1790 law granted NBC status to children born of U.S. parent”S” born overseas. In 1795, the law was rewritten to extend ONLY “citizenship” to those born overseas to U.S. parent”S”! Washington signed the bill himself. It protected the NBC status as written in The Constitution.
AGAIN, the language protected the Founders’ criteria of NBC for POTUS. That language WILL prevail in SCOTUS!
Talk about a petulant child! TAG, you’re IT!
qwertyman129
BTW, I believe Indo now does recognize dual status with the U.S. They didn’t then……just like SAD was too young to confer her citizenship status if BO was born overseas. It was OUR law at that time. She had to be 19. If BO was born overseas, and I don’t know, and neither do you, she could NOT make him a citizen. Too bad for him!
@Mairi0506 If you are trying to say that US law has you automatically forfeit citizenship for taking a foreign passport, then you should say WHAT FUCKING LAW SAYS THAT.
However, all of this is completely irrelevant as there is not a single scrap of evidence whatsoever that would show that Obama ever used an Indonesian passport.
I’ll ask you yet again to name a single current judge, Congressman or constitutional scholar who agrees with any of this childish birther interpretation of NBC.